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Title: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 09, 2019, 08:53:42 am
It appears there is a Live version of the Deepin distro, on their web site, only.
Unfortunately the download is very slow and would take hours.

Has anyone downloaded this Live Deepin iso?  I want to use a usb pendrive to run Deepin, on, to try it out.
It appears to me the standard Deepin iso, will only do an install of the distro, to your hard drive.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 09, 2019, 10:49:25 am
According to this article (https://gamblisfx.com/how-to-create-linux-deepin-2014-live-usb/), you can make a live Deepin usb from the regular iso. At least you could when the version from that article was released (2014). I checked the regular Deepin website and you're right that it would take hours to download from that link.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 09, 2019, 11:19:46 am
"Has anyone downloaded this Live Deepin iso? "

Any downloads from the site are almost impossible. Torrents that you find should be 15.8 I think. Saw a live iso torrent during a search (that probably doesn't work anyways) that is way out of date - 4 years!. The whole underpinning of the distro has changed over the last few years.

The only way I can see doing it is installing in virtual, or on the hard drive. It is a very easy install by the way. Unless you let the live iso download run all night.

Maybe they discourage 'live' because it doesn't work very well.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 09, 2019, 12:55:30 pm
Thanks for the help, guys.
If i get a new desktop, with 12G of RAM then maybe i will try a virtual, install. :-)
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 09, 2019, 01:18:59 pm
Bill, can't you just set it to download overnight?
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 09, 2019, 01:24:37 pm
Wow, really slow, even the regular ISO. What's odd to me is that I think every other distro I've seen uses mirrors to spread the access. They have 6 links to download (main ISO) and only 1 for the live distro. Are mirrors refusing to allow deepin on their servers due to worries about Chinese software? Or have they not even tried?

Btw, their main download is 2.3 GB and the live is 385 MB so I can't imagine it's representative of the main distro, it's probably like a netimage that you use to install the rest of the distro or very old.


Update: As buster pointed out there are, in fact, mirrors though they were put under the oddly name ISO Repository. Everybody else calls them "mirrors" so I didn't notice. But there is still only one place to get the "live" version, at least that is linked from their website.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 09, 2019, 01:31:02 pm
Lots of mirrors! See this.

https://www.deepin.org/en/mirrors/releases/

But I searched for a torrent on the web. Much faster for me.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 09, 2019, 03:18:41 pm
But if you look at what is distributed in the mirrors, it isn't the live distro.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 09, 2019, 04:45:08 pm
No, it doesn't, and I agree with Jason that given the small size of the live iso, it might not have much value for getting a sense of deepin.

Sorry Bill. But you are welcome to see and operate  my install if we ever get together.

By the way Bill, how much ram does your best computer have? I think I used to dedicate 2 gig of ram on my old computer, and it had 4 or 6 gig. It sees when you install in virtual, and asks you to shut down the desktop candy, which I tend to avoid anyway. So two seems lots.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 09, 2019, 06:14:14 pm
I think my newer Dell XPS 13 inch notebook may have 8 G of ram, so i could try a virtual install, on it.
I Am running Lubuntu, on it, so i would use Lubuntu as the host.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 09, 2019, 11:31:14 pm
Lots of mirrors! See this.

https://www.deepin.org/en/mirrors/releases/ (https://www.deepin.org/en/mirrors/releases/)

But I searched for a torrent on the web. Much faster for me.

Thanks for the correction. I didn't notice them as they were listed under the oddly named "ISO Repository" on the page when everyone else just calls them "mirrors" or "alternative downloads". They call them mirrors in the drop-down menu though. I updated my post.

Btw, downloading it now to give it a shot and as you can see, the Princeton mirror is fast but it's not the live ISO obviously.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 09, 2019, 11:35:08 pm
I think my newer Dell XPS 13 inch notebook may have 8 G of ram, so i could try a virtual install, on it.
I Am running Lubuntu, on it, so i would use Lubuntu as the host.

That would be plenty. I used to run VMs back when I had a machine with only 4 GB of RAM. Many distros say they will run under 1 GB of RAM though I suspect you should set it to 2 GB or it will be pretty slow unless it's a really light distro (like Lubuntu ;) ).
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 09, 2019, 11:50:50 pm
If you use a torrent make really sure it's the same ISO file by doing an sha256sum against it. You might think I'm just being paranoid but it's way too easy for somebody to add their own files to a deepin ISO and create a torrent for it. If you're just playing with it or trying it out, that's one thing but if you are considering making it your daily OS, you should probably be careful.

Honestly, you should do the sums anyway. It takes under a minute, less if you can eyeball it quick.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 10, 2019, 05:42:12 am
Does the install of Deepin provide all the necessary codecs, to view various media, right away, from the initial install?  Similar to say, MXLinux.
If not, are the necessary codecs easy to obtain and install?
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 09:04:23 am
I think you'll find all formats play. Things played for me anyways, including a movie.

I removed their office suite and replaced it with libre.

My drag and drop host-guest worked, as well as resolution. But I used VMWare and Win 10. If there is a problem with this I think I know how to fix it for you.

I wouldn't use less than 2 gig ram. I also use lots of space - typically 45 gig for the hard drive. And maybe 2 core of the cpu. But then I use them, not just test them.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 10:00:52 am
I also don't know much about setting up ram allocation for video in VirtualBox, but Jason can advise on that if you're not sure. But I'm pretty sure it needs a fair bit.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 10, 2019, 10:07:43 am
If you are actually using Deepin (or MX Linux), what is the advantage of installing these on virtual machines? They should run faster on bare metal and you wouldn't have to boot Windows to do so. Or is there an issue with drivers?
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 11:10:48 am
Well, we have discussed this before Mike  :) But you have to keep in mind that my primary system, which I like, is Win 10. It's doubtful that will change because of the specific software I use, and my affection for Win10.

Second, I like and need a Linux system for a number of reasons, some of them specific to Linux.

Third, I like to be able to have windows to both systems open on the screen at the same time, side by side, for drag and drop often, but other things as well. This can only be done with a virtual machine. My laptop has a Linux and a Win10 system running together most of every day when I'm not traveling.

Four, I never have to deal with Grub, or partitioning, like ever.

Five, removing a Linux system is the same as discarding an email. Right click and delete. No consequences.

Six, installing a distro is easy and a matter of say 20 minutes. And if I mess up the install, right click good bye.

Seven, the Linux systems are not slow and clunky anymore in virtual. At least not in VMWare.

There are more reasons, but I do not wish to wear out my welcome.  ;D



Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 10, 2019, 11:58:30 am
Thanks Buster!  I tried installing vmware player in lubuntu  but immediately ran into a sudo su problem. Lubuntu said the suduuser file did not have the user.
I will see if i can resolve this problem.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 12:39:14 pm
I've never been able to install VMWare in Linux. VirtualBox is available and should be easy to find in your software download tool, like Synapic. And many in the club can lead you through using it, though there may be a really good outline somewhere on the web.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 10, 2019, 04:22:13 pm
Is the user account not setup with administrative privileges? If not, that's the problem. Lookup how to add this user account, or another if you prefer, to the sudoers file. It's not that difficult and I can walk you through it if you're really stuck.

Personally, I haven't had much success with VMware Player in Linux (specifically Ubuntu derivatives) but I haven't really tried very hard as Virtualbox works well so it wasn't something I wanted to spend much time playing with. I think that Fox has done it in Linux though. This guide (https://itsfoss.com/install-vmware-player-ubuntu-1310/) might help.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: BusterE on January 10, 2019, 05:20:09 pm
Holy crap Jason, that guide was @#$%^ awesome! For the first time I have a VMWare on this old Linux machine! Never managed that before.

#1. It is actually different visually. But solid and comfortable after some poking about.
#2. My old machine is probably too old to do virtual, but it is exciting and easy to set up VMWare.

20 years you have been helping people Jason. Thanks from all of us.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 10, 2019, 06:41:05 pm
Glad it worked out. I hadn't actually tried it but it was recent enough I thought it might work. I was just lucky. But you're welcome.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 07:20:12 pm
So the VMWare install into Linux went smoothly with the steps given to us. Very easy. Using the VMWare software is not difficult, though different, whether you used VirtualBox or VMWare in Windows. The result for me was a 'fully' functioning Linux Lite install into an 'older' computer running Mint 19 - something like 11 years old. The age is significant. My test apps responded differently. Kpat worked quite well, with no noticeable problems. Poor Tuxracer however kept ending up in the woods bumping into trees because the keyboard commands were delayed while the cpu processed them and the graphics.

The only significant thing I had to do was install open vm desktop stuff so that drag and drop worked between host/guest. (Because the guest was Xfce, I had to use copy paste to get the job done actually.)

One problem that I had because of the old equipment was the sound of the  music was sort of staticky (sp?).

I doubt that any of the problems mentioned were related to VMWare, but rather to the hardware.

Simple to use. Worth a try when you find time weighing heavily on your hands.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 10, 2019, 07:21:52 pm
....
Personally, I haven't had much success with VMware Player in Linux (specifically Ubuntu derivatives) but I haven't really tried very hard as Virtualbox works well so it wasn't something I wanted to spend much time playing with. I think that Fox has done it in Linux though. ....
Yes, I did work with VMware Player in Linux, to set up a MacOS virtual machine. I did that in order to transfer a VM of an older version of MacOSX that I created with VMware Fusion on a Mac. I used it on the Mac to run older software that was no longer compatible with the newer operating system. The VM actually worked in Player on Ubuntu, but it took some tweaking. It's even harder to set up a VM of the MacOS on a PC running Linux, but I was able to do that as well. I did both just to see if I could do it. All of my Macs are now dual boot, so if I need to run Mac software, I just boot onto the Mac side. (Unlike Harry  :P)
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 07:43:14 pm
I should mention also, if you wish to run full screen in virtual as I usually do, you need the 'vm open desktop whatever' software that's easy to get in something like Synaptic. Needed also for drag and drop. After a reboot, just reduce the size of the virtual window, and then make it full screen, and it finds what's going on and gives you a full screen just like a real install.

And have any of you noticed, when it comes to computers, how old fashioned Mike is becoming?  :)
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 10, 2019, 08:12:19 pm
Actually was able to get VMware Workstation Player in the last hour or so on Linux. I remember now that I was able to do it before but when I would reopen the Player, whatever I installed no longer showed up in the menu. Seems they've fixed that issue. And I installed Deepin successfully.

Programs are coming up slowly I notice even though I turned on 3D acceleration and set the RAM to 256 MB which should be more than enough. Also gave it 4 GB of RAM and set it to 2 processors. Mind you I did choose the fancy graphics on startup. Probably not the right choice there. This problem with applications starting up slowly seems to have fixed itself after a reboot of Deepin.

My first thoughts on Deepin is that it looks great, very professional except for some of the terrible translations to English where you see details on something. Their own app store seems to have lots of programs that I've never seen before and for a software manager, it looks pretty good with a lot of choices. And of course I love that they chose Chrome as their default browser. The sidebar on the right-hand side doesn't really impress me that much as the area for settings but others may love it. It was also great that they give you a choice of a more classical look with a bottom taskbar and "start menu" like with Windows or the mac-esque plank and the gnome-like program icons launcher. They also give you a choice of several different icon sets.

Apparently the VMware tools were automatically installed? The only option is to re-install them so I presume so. Haven't tried drag and drop but I notice that full-screen was available to me right away in Kubuntu without installing anything else.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 08:49:52 pm
I would think a fancy desktop in virtual is asking for a molasses shower. It should respond the same way any desktop would if you aren't in virual. I don't have the 'corners' active  for example. And I found drag and drop worked out of the box.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 10, 2019, 10:02:52 pm
Wait, so you do or don't need the 'vm open desktop whatever' for drag and drop to work assuming you meant between guest and host in each case you mentioned it?
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 10, 2019, 11:38:53 pm
Well, my install in of deepin in vmware in windows didn't need anything. My install of Lite in vmware in linux did. I've installed deepen over the last couple of years maybe 5 or 6 times. It always just worked. Drag and drop works right away with some distros, and others require poking about to get it to work. Since your resolution worked, d&d should too.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 11, 2019, 11:49:14 am
Just an add on to the deepin/windows saga.

Graphics performance can be a challenge for virtual distros in software that usually isn't designed for playing visual games. Just for my own information, I tested TuxRacer without snow falling and with a light snow falling. Just this extra bit of graphics used enough resources that I could see the difference in response on the screen to keyboard commands.

Surprised me, yet it makes sense.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 11, 2019, 12:45:38 pm
I'm not surprised; there is a performance penalty for operating virtual machines. :)
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 11, 2019, 02:24:40 pm
Well, my install in of deepin in vmware in windows didn't need anything. My install of Lite in vmware in linux did. I've installed deepen over the last couple of years maybe 5 or 6 times. It always just worked. Drag and drop works right away with some distros, and others require poking about to get it to work. Since your resolution worked, d&d should too.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

Regarding performance, I actually updated my post using the cross-out font to show that after a subsequent reboot in Deepin, performance was fine, no slowness. I think I updated VMware just before that too and so that might have had something to do with it.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 11, 2019, 11:36:44 pm
Success with Deepin as a virtual machine (using vmware player with 2 G ram set for the guest OS) and Mint 18.3 as the host. Running on my HP 12" notebook, 4 G ram, Intel Pentium N3700 cpu.

I had an initial failure of vmware to start the guest OS.  It said the  Intel VM virtual machine setting was not present. Vmware said to check the computer BIOS for the Intel VM setting, to be turned on.
Went into the BIOS and there was a VM setting disabled, so I enabled that.
Vmware then had no problem installing Deepin.

I selected all the vmware defaults except the Ram.  It chose 512 MB. I set itfor 2 G ram.
I left the single core as the default.  I will try setting it for 2 Cores, on the next try.

Deepin runs full screen, just fine.
I can drag and drop files between Mint 18.3 and Deepin.

Wifi works.

Posting this message from the virtual Deepin distro.

Update -  Oops!  The Deepin virtual won't start, now that I have tried to boot it up, again. :-( :-(
I clicked on the deepin.vmx file and nothing happens.

Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 12, 2019, 02:26:07 am
Good job getting it working, Bill!
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 12, 2019, 08:10:03 am
Bill wrote, "I clicked on the deepin.vmx file and nothing happens."

If you're doing what I think you are, it shouldn't happen.

Humour me and try this:

Click on the programs and open VMWare Workstation Player
Inside on the left of VMWare's opening page, click on Deepin 15.8 or whatever you called it.
The right hand side of the page will shortly, if not immediately, show an option to play virtual machine.
Click this.

Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 12, 2019, 03:54:39 pm
Ok, I start up vmware, it opens with options on the right hand side to Create a Virtual Machine or to Open a Virtual Machine.
I click on, Open a Virtual Machine.
This brings up a File Manager, with the Deepin Folder.
I click on the Open icon, in the File Manager and this tales me to the deepin.vmx file
I click on the Open icon, in the File Manager and it just takes me back to the main VMware menu with the options to either Create a VM or to Open a VM.

I will try to do a virtual MXLinux install.

I suspect I may have to delete the VMware program and try to install VMware for Linux, again

Update - same problem with the install of MXLinux.  The virtual MXLinux installs and runs ok, but when I shut the Guest down and try to boot it again, nothing happens. :-(
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 12, 2019, 04:23:02 pm
You're doing it wrong, Bill.

You should see a list of distro(s) you have installed as VMs on the left-hand side like you can see in my attachment.

You don't click on the 'Open Virtual Machine' on the right. That's for adding virtual machines that you didn't install through VMware (basically like importing them).

Instead you click on the distro on the left-hand side which will show up after it's been installed, and then click on it and then Power On at the bottom of the new screen that appears in the right-pane or just double click it. In the attachment below the first you can see what happens after I click on Deepin in the list on the left.

Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: BusterE on January 12, 2019, 04:45:09 pm
I'm not sure what's going on, but my Linux install of vmware does exactly what Bill's does. Nothing shows on the left when I open vmware. I also am in mint as host, though I installed Lite. Worked well yesterday. Considering putting another distro in so there are two and the machine has to put up the choices, maybe......
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: BusterE on January 12, 2019, 05:28:19 pm
Don't know what to say Bill. The picture Jason gets is what I have in windows. On my Linux machine, neither install shows on the left or works with clicks on the right.

I suspect Mint. But mine doesn't work.

Since you have the isos, try VirtualBox. That should work.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 12, 2019, 06:51:04 pm
I had that happen before, Buster. But I thought it was some bug that they had resolved. I'm not sure what, if anything, I did different this time around for it to work.

Just so we're working on the same version of VMware Workstation Player, I downloaded 15.0.2 version for Linux from here (https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/free#desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_workstation_player/15_0|PLAYER-1502|product_downloads). And then when I installed it, instead of using 'su root' as suggested in the documentation, I used sudo instead to install it at a terminal prompt (like this):


sudo ./VMware-Player-15.0.2-10952284.x86_64.bundle


Trying to login to root via 'su root' isn't going to work on most distros because root isn't enabled. It's kind of stupid that they suggest that in the documentation, honestly. But if you still can't get it working, I'd just suggest going with Virtualbox as Buster mentioned.

I really don't know notice much difference between them other than that VMware looks more elegant and can handle installs for you without you having to do anything in some cases. Virtualbox also has a snapshot feature that I like. You can save the state it is in and roll it back, if necessary.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 12, 2019, 07:06:49 pm
I am having the same issue as what Buster is finding, on his vmware Linux Host.
After the install of a virtual guest OS, the only thing that shows up, on the left side of the main vmware menu, if the Home folder.
No virtual OS folders, show up below the Home folder. :-(
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 12, 2019, 07:37:04 pm
Installing in VirtualBox as i also do other tasks around the house. May try the sudo, but I must say it did install so I doubt that is the issue.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 12, 2019, 08:06:50 pm
I removed the install of vmware and tried Jason's command (green highlight)
The command did not work for me.

I had to use the command -
sudo sh VMware-Player-15.0.2-10952284.x86_64.bundle

This worked for the install of vmware, again.

It was a waste of time!
  The installed guest OS, runs fine, but again, there is nothing showing, below the Home folder in the main vmware player menu, when I try to run the  guest OS, a second time. :-(


I had that happen before, Buster. But I thought it was some bug that they had resolved. I'm not sure what, if anything, I did different this time around for it to work.

Just so we're working on the same version of VMware Workstation Player, I downloaded 15.0.2 version for Linux from here (https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/free#desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_workstation_player/15_0|PLAYER-1502|product_downloads). And then when I installed it, instead of using 'su root' as suggested in the documentation, I used sudo instead to install it at a terminal prompt (like this):


sudo ./VMware-Player-15.0.2-10952284.x86_64.bundle


Trying to login to root via 'su root' isn't going to work on most distros because root isn't enabled. It's kind of stupid that they suggest that in the documentation, honestly. But if you still can't get it working, I'd just suggest going with Virtualbox as Buster mentioned.

I really don't know notice much difference between them other than that VMware looks more elegant and can handle installs for you without you having to do anything in some cases. Virtualbox also has a snapshot feature that I like. You can save the state it is in and roll it back, if necessary.

Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 12, 2019, 08:56:48 pm
My post wasn't just about the command which you guys probably did correctly but also to make sure you have the latest version. Sometimes people download VMware from other websites and it's not the same version. Just wanted to make sure you had the latest version.


And you were write about the command - it should have been sudo sh, not just sudo. I think if you chmod +x the file, you can just use sudo and that was actually what I did before. That's just so that it's recognized as an executable script.

If you have the latest version and you're still having issues, I'm not sure what else to suggest other than the fact that VMware seemed to have updates after I installed it. Click on Help -> Software Updates and then Check For Updates and install them if there are any.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 12, 2019, 09:23:15 pm
I am wondering if this is a permissions issue of where VMware is placing the machine on the drive. Two suggestions, if you're not already, make sure you run VMware Workstation Player as a non-root user and that when you creating a VM to install a distro, make sure the files are on that user's home drive. I got this idea from this thread:

https://communities.vmware.com/thread/305983 (https://communities.vmware.com/thread/305983)

Though the original post is old, it has been commented on over the years and the most recent reply says that the thread helped a user using Linux Mint.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: BusterE on January 12, 2019, 11:07:25 pm
So Bill, I hope you haven't deleted everything!!!!!!

Got to /home and find the vmware folder. Open this file and RIGHT CLICK on the file you wish to boot, in this case the .vmx file.

You will be able to work it out from there  :)  :)  :)

No idea why this works. Magic.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 13, 2019, 04:53:16 am
Thanks Jason and Buster, for your help!

Buster, your work around, of going into the file manager vmware folder and right clicking on the .vmx file, did bring up the Guest OS.
A real dirty way, to have to boot up a virtual Guest OS, but it works.

I am going to take one of my dual booting notebooks, image the drive, and then do a fresh install of a Linux distro, only.  I will let the Linux install, wipe the drive, so there is no other OS, on the drive.
I suspect this might get the Linux vmware player, to work properly.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 13, 2019, 11:20:47 am
Got this from the link in Jason's post:

The file /home/user/.local/share/recently-used.xbel will be emptied from time to time and every time you log out, thus the library / list of VMs will be lost.

This only happens if you have deactivated 'Record file & application usage' in Ubuntu System Settings 'All Settings / Security & Privacy / Files & Applications'.

If you activate 'Record file & application usage' your list of VMs will not be lost anymore, as the file 'recently-used.xbel' will no longer be emptied.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: BusterE on January 13, 2019, 12:36:01 pm
STOP DOING ALL THAT WORK BILL!

In your host Mint use the menu to go to

'preferences', then 'privacy'.

Turn the switch to 'on'.

Boot your guest using the backdoor method I found. After it works, shut the guest down. Now reboot your Mint. When it is up and running

open your VMWare and look on the left. Real magic this time.

Thanks go to Jason for finding the thread, and Harry for implementing it. Cash donations acceptable.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 13, 2019, 02:48:05 pm
Yess!!   Works great now!

Thank you Buster and Jason!

I am now running Deepin and MXLinux as Virtual machines, using VMWare player, with Mint 18.3 as a Host machine.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: BusterE on January 13, 2019, 06:00:57 pm
So the problem seems to have been specific to the Mint defaults. Awfully tough to find.

So Bill, did you get full screen working for MX Linux ? (Took me awhile.) Drag and drop works in both? Sometimes copy/paste is needed instead with Xfce I found..

And now the big questions: Do you like the 2 distros? And do you find working in a virtual machine quite alright?
 
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 13, 2019, 07:24:38 pm
MXLinux kept starting up at a lowly 800X600 resolution.  :-(
Took a lot of messing with the Display setting resolution, to get an acceptal high resolution.
Even then it wasn t quite right.
I did get mxlinux to run full screen.
I didn t do much other testing. ( MXLinux works very well from a usb pendrive, as a Live version)

Deepin works beautifully. Full screen resolution, right fron the get go.

I am very impressed with vmware player! Very slick!

I appreciate your list of benefits of using and running a virtual machine.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 13, 2019, 07:46:35 pm
Glad you figured it out, Bill.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 13, 2019, 08:10:30 pm
More to add to the saga.

On my old, old computer I have 2 hard drives. One has Mint 19.1, and it is the ssd, and the other has Win 7 on a regular laptop hard drive. Both have VMWare 15, one designed for Linux, and one for Windows. Both of these have the latest Deepin installed.

And on each machine I installed my test software, ExtremeTuxRacer.

I works really well on Windows 7. It doesn't work, other than going down a hill and banging into trees, on Mint.

You would think they would perform equally well - same hardware, same ram. And Mint has the faster ssd.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 13, 2019, 09:15:39 pm
Did you check to see if VMware WS Player used the same settings for each?
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 13, 2019, 10:22:05 pm
The only think I know for sure is that 1 core is used and 2048 is selected for ram. Didn't notice anything else. And video card ram is not negotiable in VMWare.

Quite surprised me. And the difference is noticeable. No difference for anything else, like the winning celebration in Kpat. Or general use.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 14, 2019, 12:38:54 am
Quite surprised me. And the difference is noticeable. No difference for anything else, like the winning celebration in Kpat. Or general use.

Don't know about VMware with Windows but you most certainly can adjust video RAM in the Linux version as you can see below. My guess is that the Windows player is using 3D acceleration by default and the Linux player isn't, judging by your description.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 14, 2019, 09:28:51 am
So I checked deepin in old machine Mint, old machine Win7, and laptop win10. All 3 have identical display settings including 3D checked, and 768 mbs graphics memory. I did none of this. Just defaults.

So even more surprising.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 14, 2019, 11:19:27 am
Bill wrote:

"Took a lot of messing with the Display setting resolution, to get an acceptal high resolution.
Even then it wasn t quite right.
I did get mxlinux to run full screen.
I didn t do much other testing. ( MXLinux works very well from a usb pendrive, as a Live version)"

To make sure it runs full screen just as deepin does follow these simple steps:
1. While in MX Linux open Synaptic, and no other package manager.
2. Make sure you find the 'search' at the  top, not the one beside it, and type in 'vmware' and search.
3. Scroll down the results and find these two things and install them: open-vm-tools, open-vm-tools-desktop.
4. Maybe log out and in.
5. Try the full screen button in VMWare.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 14, 2019, 11:37:41 am
Virtual in Win 10 laptop - testing ExtremeTuxRacer, with some snow and evening light.

MX Linux -perfect
Deepin - close to unusable.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 14, 2019, 04:07:45 pm
Neither of those 2 files shows up in Synaptic, when I follow your directions. :-(


Bill wrote:

"Took a lot of messing with the Display setting resolution, to get an acceptal high resolution.
Even then it wasn t quite right.
I did get mxlinux to run full screen.
I didn t do much other testing. ( MXLinux works very well from a usb pendrive, as a Live version)"

To make sure it runs full screen just as deepin does follow these simple steps:
1. While in MX Linux open Synaptic, and no other package manager.
2. Make sure you find the 'search' at the  top, not the one beside it, and type in 'vmware' and search.
3. Scroll down the results and find these two things and install them: open-vm-tools, open-vm-tools-desktop.
4. Maybe log out and in.
5. Try the full screen button in VMWare.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 14, 2019, 08:20:14 pm
Bill wrote: Neither of those 2 files shows up in Synaptic, when I follow your directions. :-(

However, see picture of Synaptic in MX Linux in virtual. Double check Bill
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 14, 2019, 09:27:38 pm
Nope, nothing comes up on my Synaptic.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 14, 2019, 10:38:47 pm
You are inside MX Linux, and using SYNAPTIC, not the one called MX Package Installer??????

It doesn't make any sense to me. I couldn't get the files in the MX Packager, but they showed up right away in Synaptic.

Check the repositories and see which have check marks. I have checks on, counting down, 1, 3,4,5,and 8. Which I may have done out of habit after  my install.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 14, 2019, 10:42:26 pm
You can also install the tools through the VMware menu (when you're inside a guest).
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 14, 2019, 11:02:38 pm
Yes Jason, but using the software that the distro provides seems so much simpler. And when you find that the distro has these installed automatically, like most Ubuntu derivatives , everything like drag and drop works automatically.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 15, 2019, 12:24:05 am
I'm just giving Bill another way to do it since he hasn't been able to find the packages you're talking about, Harry. Any this method might not be as easy but it's really not hard. A trained monkey could do it.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 15, 2019, 04:33:43 am
Sorry guys, this monkey has not been trained, yet. :-)

I realized, I was still running a virtual MXLinux as a Live version.
I have now installed MXLinux on the virtual hard drive.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 15, 2019, 08:47:47 am
Do your update, which they call upgrade, saying yes to everything.

Now go to Synaptic  :) and look for the two files.

You will find the mouse works much better after you get that sorted, and put yourself into full screen. Everything works better with the guest software.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: ssfc72 on January 15, 2019, 02:01:44 pm
To keep this thread related to Deepin, I have posted my comments about the Virtual install of my MXLinux, to the MXLinux thread.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: buster on January 16, 2019, 11:23:48 am
Found out today deepin is based on Debian unstable. I thought it was based for the last while on Ubuntu. Live and learn.

And when you do a standard update of 15.8 and reboot, it says you're now in 15.9, the new release today. Rolling release.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: fox on January 16, 2019, 05:52:25 pm
The new version apparently supports touchscreens.
Title: Re: Deepin - Live iso?
Post by: Jason Wallwork on January 16, 2019, 09:38:21 pm
Touchscreen support, interesting! I mean I think anything will support touchscreen minimally (like a mouse) but I'm guessing they probably mean multi-touch like with zoom and the like. I wonder if anybody else is doing this?